And yet it was so much itself and had carved out such an identity, that when the American Jewish Committee came to you in 1990 and said, “We’re no longer supporting the deficit,” you were able to turn around and go out and raise a great deal of money to keep it going, never having raised a nickel before in your life. And although they like to think that they had mastered English, most of them had not mastered English. At that moment, Jews had ascended to the cultural leadership of the United States—writers, the hottest writers in fiction, in essays, in Hollywood, on Broadway. You do it by discounting it. And, as a result, it cannot endorse candidates. NORMAN: Let me tell you about the two articles published by COMMENTARY that both resulted in the appointment of the author as ambassador to the United Nations—Pat Moynihan’s “The United States in Opposition” and Jeane Kirkpatrick’s “Dictatorships and Double Standards.”. And if you publish liberal stuff, it’s going to anger the conservatives who do read. JOHN: Let’s talk about one of the most important articles the magazine ever published, “Jewish Faith and the Holocaust: A Fragment,” by Emil Fackenheim—which has, over time, become one of the key statements about Jewry in the wake of the Holocaust. I don’t know what a stereo technician does when he opens up a stereo to fix it. It’s an aesthetic good, it’s a sort of culturally relevant institutional good, but it’s not an organizational good in and of itself. On paper, that was well established. NORMAN PODHORETZ: Some magazines are writer’s magazines, where what the writer puts down on paper is sacred to him, and the editor doesn’t do much except maybe change the punctuation. Then you had to correct typos and send it back to the typographer. Nobody likes it.”. And nobody there, two or three people there, had any kind of individual reputation. But it was an unsatisfying experience for a writer to write for these institutional publications. JOHN: COMMENTARY survives because it made this transition in 2006 from being supported by the American Jewish Committee to being supported by a body of readers who not only subscribe but have decided that it is part of their mission in life to ensure its continued existence. NORMAN: I always described it as putting the manuscript under a microscope. He was the editor of Campaigns and Elections magazine until 2011 before moving to Ology.com as political news editor. I had two missions. That’s why heavy editing was necessary. Then came you, from 1960 to 1994. 7d ago. Each issue, ought to, as itself, be interesting, relevant, a rich menu, so to speak. I met him at the Century Club in New York and nervously handed him the manuscript because I’d published things by him before, but they had not been as heavily edited as this one. I’d prefer to surf the Internet all day than to spend 10 hours trying to help turn something good into something that is the best that it could be. The monthly magazine of opinion. Yes. A rolling crime wave, under the guise of social activism, has left city after American city shattered and smoldering. Like, why would you need a magazine that tells the overall Jewish community exactly what it wants to hear? And the article turned into a classic. I’m perfectly happy to have him get credit. A lot of people started here, who were spotted early by us, and then eventually got picked up, and some got to be very famous. Jewish Faith and the Holocaust: A Fragment, China’s Creative Challenge—and the Threat to America. JOHN: A magazine issue comprises a series of articles on a variety of different subjects in a series of different topic areas to provide a reader with a menu of the kind of literary, journalistic, rhetorical material that they can dine on. Who cares about being Jewish,” and blah, blah, blah. You could write a cover story for Time Magazine that 4 million people could read, but you were a nobody. It’s missing points, or it elides them, or it doesn’t have good transitions. JOHN: The most self-confident, intellectually self-confident writers in my experience have very little problem with being edited. And then it went to a printer, was printed and was mailed from there. You made an upper-middle-class salary, which was rare in journalism. These are long periods of continuity. My mission was to fight aggressively in what I saw then and see even more today as a war, a war about America and about Israel. NORMAN: But we published many articles that the Committee people did not like. You commission an article, you get the article back, and it’s rare that an article doesn’t need some form of massaging, grammatical or thematic. JOHN: It was a kind of cannibalization, but it was also a popularization. Founded by the American Jewish Committee in 1945 under the editorship of Elliot E. Cohen(editor from 1945 to 1959), Commentary magazine developed into the leading postwar journal of Jewish affairs. I think this formulation will be quoted 250 years from now when people write about Jewry in the wake of the Holocaust. Snow, which was a very big deal at the time. Commentary Magazine editor John Podhoretz in an undated photo. View All MSNBC Columnists. NORMAN: There were many instances when articles were published that offended some important member or leader of the American Jewish Committee. No. He thought that all the Western powers, including the United States and including Israel, had been naive about Stalin. So I read it and I was very excited by it, what it said, but it was way too long. NORMAN: Ideally, from beginning to end, first page to last, which is how I always read. The idea, and calling it the 614th commandment, he hadn’t thought of it in those terms, but he was very happy with it, because that’s exactly what he wanted to say. And I can tell you that our single-minded way turned out to be very successful. So I mostly cut it and reorganized it and got it down to a manageable length of, I don’t know, 7,500 words, something like that. JOHN: COMMENTARY for 60 of its 75 years was a publication of the American Jewish Committee. JOHN: The leaders could have just said, you know what, we’re sick of you, we’re sick of this right-wing stuff, we’ll fire you. NORMAN: Well, that was only Hannah Arendt, as far as we know. JOHN: And commissioning involves two aspects. Jews, it says, are forbidden to grant posthumous victories to Hitler. When it comes to the point of view in the magazine, it would be pretty fair to say that, with the exception of maybe a judgment about a certain novel or movie or something like that, you found it almost impossible to publish articles whose thematic approach and conclusions you did not agree with. And COMMENTARY would have simply become one of those publications that had once existed but existed no longer. You and I know how very hard it is to produce such writing, because almost nobody is born with the talent. We had a very, very grateful audience. And I said, “But Hans, your sentence was ungrammatical.” And he said to me, in a thick German accent, “How do you know?”. So you sell a year’s subscription for $5. JOHN: In the very early going, before you were on the staff, long before I was born, the magazine published a scandalous piece by Isaac Rosenfeld. It was full of jargon, allusions that were not explained, so that most lay readers would be unable to follow it. JOHN: I am less of a heavy editor than you were, certainly than Neal was. But they don’t read, and they don’t know what they want to read, because that’s not their business. Living as a Jew in the 21st century is a matter of deliberate, conscious daily choice. This was a very profitable field. And I was always proved right, because the new circulation didn’t stick around and advertising never covered the costs. John Podhoretz - Editor - Commentary Magazine | LinkedIn. And he was very arrogant, as almost all those German-Jewish refugee intellectuals were. And you send out direct mail to a couple of million people. NORMAN: We have a lot of years in purgatory waiting for us when it comes to certain people whose careers we’re responsible for. JOHN: The big magazines weren’t writer’s magazines either. That never happened. Oct. 17, 2007; When John Podhoretz was 7, he asked his father, Norman, the editor of Commentary, if … You don’t want to be in the vicinity of an author who you’ve edited. And he held the thing and he kept casting away every page as he read it, he threw it on the floor, and hmm, hmm, uh-huh, hmm, mmm, like that. From the Harper’s audience, there was a huge controversy. I don’t think any other magazine, except possibly the New Yorker, is as heavily edited as COMMENTARY has always been. NORMAN: That’s exactly right. He knew that his English was not perfect, and he was happy to be improved upon. Now, in one way, and only one way, maybe, COMMENTARY is like a sonnet. NORMAN: I used to say COMMENTARY was originally a Jewish magazine with general interests that became a general magazine with Jewish interests. The humility or selflessness, which is very important, is that you are willing to lend your talents to someone else’s work without getting any credit for it. It focuses the attention on matters higher than mere electoral success, let’s just say. In 1948, the War of Independence, a fairly large number of young Jews in the Soviet Union wanted to go fight in the War of Independence. Or proofread. Is it a skill that can be learned? The point is, by overruling the business manager and changing your strategy, you saved COMMENTARY from a suicidal approach that has killed off literally hundreds of magazines. There’s another story, again about a German-Jewish intellectual, Walter Laqueur, who may have contributed more pieces to COMMENTARY than anybody else ever. I virtually had to blackmail Lionel Trilling into writing a piece on a long-forgotten controversy between two friends of mine, F.R. But when it comes right down to it, it’s just 20 items per issue, every month. It won’t happen if you just sit back and publish what is sent to you. As seen in: Commentary Magazine, MSN, MSN Canada, The New York Times, Fox News, The Washington Post, USA Today, CNBC, Gazeta do Povo, NBC News, New York Daily News and more Associate Editor @Commentary . (Facebook) The editor of the conservative magazine Commentary has apologized … The most important lesson of my career in journalism that I learned from you has nothing whatsoever to do with commissioning brilliant articles or the mission or anything like that. Commentary/Op-Ed Pages commentary@washingtontimes.com Tel: 202-636-4723 : Digital Editor Ian Bishop 202-636-4719 National News Editor Victor Morton 202-636-3211 Editor … There’s a way that academics are virtually forced to write in order to gain credibility. Why do you think some people are good at all this and some people aren’t? But it’s unlikely liberals are going to read you. Editing is in part a technical process. Latest from Noah Rothman . NORMAN: The heavy-editing tradition started out of necessity, rather than from the desire of editors to monkey around with other people’s work, because many of the contributors to COMMENTARY at the beginning were themselves immigrants, mostly German. NORMAN: It’s not “all but.” It is unprecedented. NORMAN: Another thing that was unique about COMMENTARY, and it had everything to do with the way it was edited, was to take subjects, important subjects, and look at them, write about them in a way that would be interesting both to specialists and accessible to the lay audience. Submit a piece for editorial consideration at The Atlantic Journalists who wish to pitch reported stories or commentaries to The Atlantic’s website should reach out to the following news desks. We want to hear your thoughts about this article. When I asked Navrozov, he said, I didn’t run away from the KGB in order to be persecuted by Golda Meir. And you had a lot of perks and benefits. These are engaged, combative, and intellectually minded people with philanthropic goals who make it possible for the magazine to survive and thrive, in part because it offers a minority opinion within the Jewish community. They’ve gone to day schools, they’ve gone to Jewish summer camps. They are more likely to have kosher homes by choice than kosher homes by cultural habit, let’s say. And even though freedom of speech does not in fact govern the notion of whether or not an institution has to allow people within it whom it is paying the right to use their facilities to say whatever they want to say. You finish that process, and then there is a very technical process that follows, one that was more laborious in your time—when the edited manuscript had to be retyped, sent to a writer, argued over, finished, and then sent to a typographer. COMMENTARY didn’t only just reassure people they weren’t crazy for holding the views they did, it also expressed and argued for ideas and perspectives usually in advance of the zeitgeist ideas—ideas people were not quite sure yet that they held. We finally reached some accommodation by which the American Jewish Committee was allowed to announce in the magazine, on a special page, that it did not agree with the magazine, it agreed with Golda Meir, and Meir accepted that, and that was that. Today on The Editors, Rich, Charlie, Alexandra, and Phil Klein (NRO’s new editor) discuss the lies being spread about Georgia’s new voting laws, the futility of the vaccine passport idea, and why Joe Biden isn’t a moderate. +AA- Apr 07, 2021 Open in Who Shared Wrong byline? And what he actually did was have them all shot. JOHN: At the newspapers and magazines I worked at over the past 40 years, we’d do focus groups, have conversations with readers and former readers and non-readers to try to figure out where we should position ourselves and how we should present our publication to them. I mean they had read Heidegger and German philosophy. I had a lot of pressure put on me, including by my board, why I should loosen up and publish articles from a different ideological perspective. HH: We now go to Commentary Magazine’s John Podhoretz. A Jewish magazine of politics, high culture, cultural and literary criticism, American and Israeli campaigns and elections, and world affairs. The women’s magazines made oceans of money. NORMAN: COMMENTARY was owned by the American Jewish Committee, and AJC granted from the beginning complete editorial independence to the editors. Explore the scintillating May 2021 issue of Commentary. You can read all of his material at Commentary Magazine. Emil Fackenheim will be immortally associated with this paragraph—he is now already—and he didn’t write it, you wrote it. I mean there’s some that I’m not, I’d say more than some, many that I’m not particularly proud of because I gave a boost to careers that I disapproved of. msnbc / Opinion. There are arguments about whether this is a good way or a bad way, but that’s the way it was at COMMENTARY. JOHN: There’s a story about Hans Morgenthau, an eminent political scientist. The people who read it, read it forever. She never either criticized me or thanked me. Podhoretz (editor) wrote a famous article in 1968 titled “My Negro Problem — And Ours”: He began his essay talking about his complex feelings toward Blacks as a Jew in Brooklyn. It is so defiantly itself that there are a sufficient number of people who not only subscribe to it but believe it is important enough that they provide eleemosynary support for it. The website also provides a masthead on their about page. But he wrote very quickly and sometimes sloppily. And the vast majority of articles in COMMENTARY when I was the editor, came from ideas from us, me or Neal or somebody else who might have been on the staff, the vast majority. First was its founder, Elliot Cohen, who died in 1959. On the one hand, great arrogance, and on the other hand, great selflessness. Neal Kozodoy, who had worked at the magazine for 30 years as your deputy, was the editor from 1995 to 2008. They were superior. NORMAN: Those AJC leaders, they were a different breed. When you dumb your product down or change it to try to appeal to people who don’t read it, you are then going to offend the people who are reading it and who do read it. And finally when he finished, he had made not a single change, not one, not even a “the.” He understood exactly why I had done what I had done. culture@theatlantic.com . Either the article that you publish goes viral on its own or it doesn’t. Lost your password? Maybe if you publish more liberal articles, then liberals would read you, and conservatives would read you, too. JOHN: The boss does not “line edit” usually. Subscribe. 10 5. JOHN: What about the act of assembling an issue? JOHN: But it gives you a sense of what an editor does, both at his best, and then also what this selflessness or humility that you mention as a key quality ultimately requires. But they didn’t. And that worked. China’s Creative Challenge—and the Threat to America, Crime Against Asians Isn’t Due to White Supremacy, Biden’s Infrastructure Plan Is Not About Infrastructure, When They Say ‘Don’t Panic,’ Maybe You Should Panic, America’s Racial Self-Flagellation at the UN Only Helps Rogue States. When editing triggers a defensive or hostile response, it’s because the writer himself is insecure and believes that he is coming under attack or criticism. I mean they were his ideas, not mine. Now we began by mentioning the 75th anniversary, and as I think about it, it’s really extraordinary that throughout all the changes in point of view, the magazine has been consistently itself. JOHN: The ultimate feedback all three of us editors have gotten involves another technical term from the world of publication circulation: Churn. The award recognized Podhoretz's intellectual contributions as editor-in-chief of Commentary magazine and as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. I mean, dozens, more than dozens. Almost all of that now takes place within the realm of the computer, a couple of programs, and the Internet, until the physical magazine is produced off a printing press. From the Reader’s Digest, 15 million readers, there were three letters. NORMAN: He was considered the leading realist theoretician in the country, maybe even in the world. People don’t really have time, and you should really simplify the language, because they like shorter sentences. Then you almost went broke because the direct mail was enormously expensive and every issue you printed out and mailed lost money—and there was no new revenue, and suddenly your deficit jumped. Eventually you had to have the articles laid out on pages, look at the final images of the pages—which came back to you in the color blue, and were called “blue lines”—for absolutely final check. You will receive a link to create a new password via email. In that sense, it’s much easier now. He blogs as well at the Contentions Blog, which is a must visit many times during the day. NORMAN: We reached 60,000 very quickly from a base of about 25,000. One was Reader’s Digest and one was Harper’s. On the March issue: American Crime Wave To the Editor: Christine Rosen’s article on rising crime makes good points about law enforcement but misses one important thing … Since 2015, he has been the associate editor of Commentary magazine. You’re going to lose them, and then you’re not going to get the ones that you’re whoring after, and so you die out. And that’s where the defects would reveal themselves. It has to do with the one time when the magazine could have collapsed in the mid-1960s owing to a seductive but terrible business strategy. NORMAN: What used to be said to me and to Neal and I imagine to you by readers is this: “Every month I look forward to COMMENTARY to reassure myself that I’m not crazy.” The people who read COMMENTARY live in communities in which nobody agrees with them, and then they seem to think either I’m crazy or they’re crazy or all of them, and they’re very grateful for the reassurance. A good editor can be a good editor even without technical skills, but good because he or she has some sense of what’s going on out there, what’s relevant, what’s interesting. He then had a two-year stint at Mediaite as an editor, where he also wrote political opinion pieces. And I always took the position, from the day I was hired until the day I retired, that the AJC was the owner of the magazine and that I was its employee and that it had a perfect right to fire me for cause or no cause. I began for the first 10 years or so moving to the left from the liberal anti-Communist perspective of Elliot Cohen’s COMMENTARY, and then 10 years later started moving in the other direction. JOHN: Which posited the laws of kashruth were an expression of Jewish sexual neurosis. The current editor is John Podhoretz who is an American writer, a columnist for the New York Post, the author of several books on politics, and a former speechwriter for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. msnbc / Opinion. And she demanded a retraction. I left, Maureen Dowd left, Graydon Carter left, Kurt Andersen left, Pico Iyer left. JOHN: He came to you and said, “Look. April 9, 2021 . I try to work with writers who need less editing. And it was published under a grant of editorial independence by the American Jewish Committee, which was savvy, smart, selfless, and very peculiar. Culturally, Judaism was very hot, and that gave you maybe a kind of platform from which you could sort of assume that the assimilation had happened. NORMAN: Well, these days, you get fired for the wrong headline. Commentary’s editors, from left, Theodore Solotaroff, Marion Magid and Norman Podhoretz in 1966. Credit... Gert Berliner NORMAN: The balance of it, the variety of it, it’s sort of like conducting an orchestra. Neoconservative was a label coined by Commentary (magazine) editors Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz. You can imagine what a storm this created. Certainly not. NORMAN: Well one of the early Soviet Jewish dissidents to arrive here, a man named Lev Navrozov, a crazy genius actually, wrote an article. JOHN: I sometimes tell writers I’m arguing with that I don’t do this for my health. JOHN: And the most important rabbi in America …. by The Editors. We always sent the edited versions to the author for final approval, and they would sometimes argue or fight and rarely say thank-you. No magazine like this has ever done that before, and we’ll just be cooking with Crisco.” How do you get 100,000 subscribers for a small Jewish magazine? JOHN PODHORETZ: COMMENTARY is 75 years old, and it has had only four editors in that time. I thought he was the perfect author for this, and he wrote a wonderful piece. Commentary is a monthly American magazine on religion, Judaism, and politics, as well as social and cultural issues. NORMAN: Everybody is less literate than Neal. What COMMENTARY had in your day and still has in my day is what is called an incredibly low “churn rate.” Eighty to 90 percent of our subscribers in any given year subscribe the following year. Noah Rothman is the associate editor of COMMENTARY Magazine. JOHN: It has remained itself because if it weren’t itself, it would have no reason for being. And he said, “You know, I’ve written for many distinguished periodicals and they don’t seem to find it necessary to correct me.” He pointed to a particular sentence in the piece as an example. They didn’t realize how bad Stalin was. NORMAN: COMMENTARY, Partisan Review, and various other small magazines were like the farm teams of American intellectual life. But it’s probably right. Cohen was founder-editor of Commentary, published by the American Jewish Committee (no longer affiliated) from 1945 until his death by suicide in 1959. JOHN: But it is not the way people, as we now say, “consume” information any longer, and so this is an art that may soon be gone like the dodo—the art of providing a generalist reader with a variety of information on many matters of interest that will give him or her a whole picture of what is going on in any given month. It was talked about a lot. It refers to Jews because the original neoconservatives were Jews who felt the New Left was anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist. But that’s the job. That’s not true of all magazines or many magazines, and particularly matching the right author. She very grudgingly accepted it, and the article was published as edited, maybe with a few changes. Or copyedit. Please enter your username or email address. Subscribe. The monthly magazine of opinion. In its heyday, the magazine was ed… JOHN PODHORETZ: COMMENTARY is 75 years old, and it has had only four editors in that time. JOHN: That is the ultimate sort of like market test. He had been ambassador to India under Nixon. And I’ve often said that I spent the last 40 years of my life trying to make up for the damage I did in those years. Very few pieces that Elliot Cohen edited, or that I edited, or that Neal edited, were not worked over, sometimes radically worked over. Commentary Magazine Editor John Podhoretz to speak tonight. NORMAN: Emil Fackenheim was a very nice man, and he was easy to work with. Culture and Books. I don’t really agree with it, but people will find that that’s an interesting take, so maybe I’ll run it anyway.” That was not your approach at all. Reader’s Digest had a circulation of 15 million. I don’t know if you want to know the story of Golda Meir’s suit against COMMENTARY. So I had to cut it and do a lot rewriting in the process, because I had to join things together and so on and so forth. NORMAN: I was asked by two magazines to write a piece in 1984 about Orwell’s book. Some people might call it high-level popularization. How this magazine has survived and thrived for three quarters of a century. But that war was consistently being fought from 1945 until now in the pages of COMMENTARY, and it’s heated up considerably. Lost your password? When I took that turn toward what came to be called neoconservatism, we were virtually the only voice expressing our point of view, that defense of the West, of America, of Israel, of high culture. But he insisted I be there. And somebody gave it to Ronald Reagan, and he later offered her the job as ambassador to the UN. The periodical strove to construct a new American Jewish identity while processing the events of the Holocaust, the formation of the State of Israel, and the Cold War. The articles are too long. So they’re going to stop reading you, and the liberals aren’t going to read you, and then you’ll be dead. NORMAN: Jeane was very, very academic as a writer. Norman Podhoretz is former editor-in-chief of Commentary. But they had to get permission to leave. NORMAN: In the old days, if you got an article from an Englishman, it almost never needed any editing. Much of the foreign-policy apparat from the ’60s through sort of like 2008 were people who had at least appeared in COMMENTARY at some point or other. Gertrude Himmelfarb, was a prominent conservative historian, especially of intellectual history in the U.S. and Great Britain. Harper’s had a circulation, I don’t know, maybe of 100,000. And the result is often obscure to the lay reader. We can get this magazine up to 100,000 paid. And many of those people, including the ones who did not like the magazine, regarded it as sort of the jewel in the crown. A vastly improved search engine helps you find the latest on companies, business leaders, and news more easily. Commentary Magazine Gets a New Editor. Irving Kristol was an editor and publisher who served as the managing editor of Commentary magazine, founded the magazine The Public Interest, and was described by Jonah Goldberg as the "godfather of neoconservatism."
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